Obama: “We are no longer a Christian nation…”

I normally refrain from political posts on GraceWalk – but I could not believe when I heard this comment from presidential hopeful, Barak Obama. See it for yourself:

This has, of course, sparked a huge debate among Christians and others. Here are some other things to consider:

From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States):

Most U.S. adult citizens identify themselves as Christians (76.5 – 78.5% [2][3]). A 2001 survey[2] found 15% of the adult population to have no religious affiliation, still significantly less than in other postindustrial countries such as Britain (44%) and Sweden (69%).[4] According to ARIS[2] and other studies, non-Christian religions (including Judaism, Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, and others) collectively make up about 5.5% of the adult population.

From an article called “WHAT WE THINK, WHAT WE BELIEVE, HOW WE ACT” from the Christian Research Institute (see http://www.equip.org/atf/cf/%7B9C4EE03A-F988-4091-84BD-F8E70A3B0215%7D/DP540.pdf):

“The Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life poll on American faith showed most people (67 percent) believe the United States is a Christian nation.”

Here’s some things to consider from the other side of the argument. In an interview with David Frost back on May 30, 1997, Rev. Billy Graham, when asked, “Say is this still a Christian Country?” replied:

“No! We’re not a Christian Country. We’ve never been a Christian Country. We’re a secular Country, by our constitution. In which Christians live and which many Christians have a voice. But we’re not a Christian Country.”

What are your thoughts?

God – I know from Your word that You ordain the leaders of nations. I pray that You would have mercy on the United States of America and give us a leader that still believes in the principals that this nation’s founders did when they formed this country.

e

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  1. #1 by hefebear on July 28, 2008 - 2:17 pm

    Scary times, but your prayer to our Father sums it up perfectly.

  2. #2 by Brian Ruff on August 19, 2008 - 1:17 pm

    I am very excited about the time we are living in. I believe that we are about to see GOD work in our nation in a way that we have seen before as a people

  3. #3 by Michael L. Bent on August 28, 2008 - 1:51 am

    as it was in the beginning and ever after, people came here and still do, because of many different reasons – one of them being freedom of religious persecution, the freedom to think and pray as they see fit, from the earliest of religions, and the settling of others, the scouts, trappers, traders of goods, Russians, French, Spanish, and others each with their own beliefs. All of these and more made up this country, The founding fathers believed as they believed and were no doubt aware of the variance in beliefs of the masses as they included Freedom of religion in the setting up this country’s government, so much so that they held that the separation of state and church was to prevail…. It is easy to a take a few partial remarks or words from a person and bend them any way one sees fit to meet that persons ulterior motives, myself I find that person more dangerous to this countries progress and safety, it’s security and total sanctity than the person from whom the few words were “Quoted” without the benefit of the whole speech and the overall context of what was said, presented and meant, by the speaker. But then even that to; may become twisted and presented as seen fit in the minds and hands of a shifty bigot. Whatever religion a person belongs to still meets the bottom line of that of God and so to coin a phrase sort of speak; “In GOD We Trust” but the real test is what we do in the ways and teachings as we follow the diverse paths of life in pursuit of Gods blessings of a life well lived, deserved, with the “Love Of GOD” evident in the actions and deeds of ones every day existence. “OBAMA” may or may not be dangerous to our country’s preservation, well being, fair play to all, and/or even the “ultimate test” of the continued existence of our “One Nation Under GOD, With Liberty And Justice For All”. But then show me a president or a political leader who wasn’t or who isn’t currently a danger to all – except the members of the so called “monetary click”, “The rich get richer” “Club”… That is the way of the game, and to change it, well; hells-bells, get real. Only the “messiah” or a close facsimiles would be an ideal candidate and so far as I currently know, none have stepped forward to declare their intentions of running or at least trying to resolve this countries dilemma of which candidate to not vote for or against…. if your still unsure, write in Judge Judy. After all Willie Nelsons to old, Elvis is missing, and Alfred E. Newman, Batman, Superman and Mighty Mouse are comic book and cartoon characters, Roy Rogers, Gene Autry and Hoppalong Cassidy are dead, the Cisco Kid and Zorro are mythes and Pat Pulson said he wasn’t running again….. Soooooooo take your best guess and write it down, what the hay… Who knows maybe Judge Judy might get something done in favor of the plaintiff – if they present the right documentation ? —- Case closed or not?

  4. #4 by TimothyPaulJones on September 2, 2008 - 10:33 am

    I’m not necessarily a fan of Obama and I’m conservative as they come theologically, but Obama is correct at this point: The United States was never intended to be or founded as a Christian nation. The Senate unanimously recognized this in 1797 in the Treaty of Tripoli, stating: “As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion…. The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation.” The myth of a “Christian nation” is a fiction that has persisted in doing far more harm than it has ever done good. To be sure, the Founding Fathers did expect _theism_ of some sort to be respected and practiced—but not Christianity of any sort that we would dub Christianity.

  5. #5 by Anonymous on September 3, 2008 - 9:54 am

    U.S. of America – you are a Judeo-Christian nation. (Cultural) Your distinction of faith is a nominal one. (Spiritual) You are on the way to become the greatest (size) post-Christian nation. (Secular) Mr. Obama just states the obvious.

  6. #6 by CLAJKO on September 3, 2008 - 10:22 am

    We need to pray that’s all I can say. We need to pray hard for God is still in control. But we need to come together in prayers and petition to God that we really need a christian leader for our country, only God can save this United States. So, please remember to pray like what Philip 4:6-8 says “be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.”

  7. #7 by Chuck Nguyen on September 4, 2008 - 12:10 pm

    A people who will not be ruled by God are destined to be ruled by tyrants. “William Penn”

  8. #8 by RobertNilesKing on September 16, 2008 - 1:05 pm

    To: TimothyPaulJones

    Below is an EXACT quote from the US treaty with Tripoli to which you referred earlier. Be careful that you do not CHANGE the quote to suit your argument as it is irresponsible and makes you look like a jerk.

    “Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”

  9. #9 by Jaqua (Jāy 'Quāy) on October 6, 2008 - 2:22 pm

    For those who insist that our founding fathers did not intend to base our nation on Christian principles, I have a few quotes for you to consider from just one of our founding fathers, John Adams (VP under George Washington, Delegate to the first and second continental congresses, 2nd President):

    “The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity…I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and the attributes of God.”
    [June 28, 1813; Letter to Thomas Jefferson]

    “We recognize no Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus!”
    [April 18, 1775, on the eve of the Revolutionary War after a British major ordered John Adams, John Hancock, and those with them to disperse in “the name of George the Sovereign King of England.” ]

    • “[July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.”
    [letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was approved by Congress]

    “We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” –October 11, 1798

    “I have examined all religions, as well as my narrow sphere, my straightened means, and my busy life, would allow; and the result is that the Bible is the best Book in the world. It contains more philosophy than all the libraries I have seen.” December 25, 1813 letter to Thomas Jefferson

    “Without Religion this World would be Something not fit to be mentioned in polite Company, I mean Hell.” [John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, April 19, 1817]

  10. #10 by Jaqua (Jāy 'Quāy) on November 5, 2008 - 8:44 am

    So let me see if I understand your comment. I wrote about how Obama said “We are no longer a Christian nation…”. You commented that McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time.

    Do the statistics of how McCain or Bush have anything to do with the more dire “change” that is coming if our new president has declared that we are no longer a Christian nation? I am having trouble following your logic.

    Yet, let me take this opportunity to declare that I will obey God’s word when it tells me to honor those in authority. God has ordained our nation’s leader. I will not dishonor him, according to my God’s law.

    God help us turn back to You as a nation.

    peace,
    e

  11. #11 by a on November 5, 2008 - 7:43 pm

    I’m with you on that one e!!! I will honor our nation’s leader. Only God knows what the future holds for us but as He says in His word: “For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.” Jeremiah 11:29. I trust that everything will be according to His plans.
    a

  12. #12 by Fufu on November 17, 2008 - 1:59 pm

    I just wanted to comment on what Obama on You Tube; he says ” we are no longer a christian nation….” I think he wanted to explain that U.S is the combination of different religeous NOT only Christians. Please, don’t focuss on just one sentence but get to the whole idea why that sentences came for!! Thanks

  13. #13 by David Greene on April 10, 2009 - 3:41 pm

    It isn’t so much what he said as the place and reason he said it. Just like bowing to the king of Saudi Arabia. The President of the United States should bow to no King, The only reason he did was to convey the respect he holds for his Arab friends, He may as well have said You no longer need to despise us for being a Christian Nation because I no longer consider the United States to be a Christian Nation. Someone needs to surgically remove his lips from the Arab Worlds rear end.

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